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Another Lie Via God-less TV
When Mike Bickle of IHOP speaks saints-don’t listen.
Just happened to catch a snippet from an e-mail I got from “God TV” (that’s a joke-it should be called God-less TV). These same people were the ones who broadcast Todd Bentley world wide to deceive thousands. http://www.god.tv/node/519
Photo shows Rory& Wendy Alec of God-less TV, with Mike Bickle at IHOP (International House of Prayer.)
He was telling all his large audience “Jesus will not come back until the church has shaken off the spirit of slumber, operates in the anointing of prayer and has a bridal identity”…now just where in scripture does he find that? While these things sound good, they are not truth, and we know a little leavens the whole lump. These teachings are so subtle, that the young and unlearned cannot distinguish truth from a lie.
Full Article here:
http://justtomakeyouthink.blogspot.com/2008/12/another-lie-via-god-less-tv.html
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December 21, 2008 at 5:17 am
Truth Seeker
The below article is from Beyond Grace’s blog. There are five podcasts that can be viewed. Mike Bickle goes into greater depth on the subject you post in above article.
This is DECEPTIVE AND DANGEROUS. He is using extra biblical revelation and connecting it to the book of Revelation to promote his prayer movement and draw 20 somethings after his grandiose vision all the while stating it is what the Holy Spirit is doing at the end of the age.
What spirits are these people listening to and getting their dreams, visions and angelic visitations from? What he is teaching does not line up with the plumbline of Scripture. It is distorted and twisted and just not TRUE!
May the Lord Jesus deliver his naive people from following these men and their grandiose visions which feed their megalomaniacle ego needs! This is outrageous!
You just don’t “get it.”
With the advent of IHOP’s “onething 08” conference, Mike Bickle is recruiting followers for his elite band of believers. Quoting Bickle:
There is a dire need to call forth and train a generation of forerunners who have clarity as to what the Holy Spirit is saying, but also the boldness to confront and expose the lies that many leaders in the Body of Christ, even those with a 5-fold ministry calling, are attributing to the Holy Spirit.
Recall that back in the early 90’s, a pastor named Ernie Gruen exposed Bickle and his elitism. After a major confrontation, involving leaders from all over the country, Bickle finally repented. In 1993, Charisma magazine reported that Bickle said:
We had an elite spirit. That’s become more and more real to me – it’s so repulsive.
Fast forward to December 2008. Here’s Mike Bickle again:
I feel like the shepherds in the body of Christ are lying on so many levels – they’re lies- and I don’t mean that there insidious lies where they’re in backrooms thinking it through and coming out saying “I’m going to lie to people.” I mean there’s lies at so many levels, there’s lies about how to get saved, there’s lies about what the mandate of the kingdom is, there’s lies about how the kingdom is supposed to be built, there’s lies about what God wants to do with the generation that’s emerging. Video.
Calling a brother or sister in the body of Christ a liar is a serious thing. Here’s what God has to say about liars:
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8).
As I mentioned, Ernie Gruen, in his report charged that Bickle & Company had an elite spirit, and that they were part of the Latter Rain Heresy. According to Don Clasen in his treatise on Kansas City, a critical part of Latter Rain is the “idea that the Church is founded upon modern-day apostles and prophets , and the belief the denominational system will be destroyed before the Second Coming and be replaced by a whole new Church structure governed over by these apostles and prophets.”
So when Bickle states that “shepherds in the body of Christ are lying on so many levels” he is enticing young people to follow his special elite band of forerunners- (a.k.a. “new breed” or “”elected seed”) – the ones who “get it.” And the ones with a plan not to overcome the world, but to overtake the church.
It seems to me that Bickle just cannot change. Perhaps one cannot teach on a “new breed” and an “elected seed” without sounding (and being) elitist. If that’s the case, why the faux-repentence? I’m sorry, but this just isn’t right.
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December 21, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Kim
Thank you for submitting this.
I watched the Onething 07 conference for the youth last year and it was devastating because of the insistance that these kids live a holy life but then never providing truth to do so.
They teach contemplative prayer from the mystics so it is no wonder that the deception abounds. When i see the rock concert attitudes and behavior i wonder why they are not teaching these kids to not live or be part of the world. Instead they are just like the world.
I pray that God protects those who are truly seeking Him and that some truth will be found. But what happens is disillusionment. When they go out back into the world, they are not converted but confused.
January 7, 2009 at 2:18 am
Danny
I attended the One Thing 08 conference. I’m a little familiar with the early 90’s stuff concerning MB and the KC Prophets. So for starters, I disagree with you, but I have a sincere question in regards to elitism. Could one argue that most if not all the prophets in the Bible came off as elitists? In other words, isn’t elitism something that is measured from within, not necissarily from the externals? If Bickle repented of elitism, then shouldn’t it be forgotten? I mean, one of the major turn offs to Christ from a secular perspective is that Jesus is an elitist and He’s not all-inclusive. I’m not saying that elitism is the way to go, I’m questioning how it is that we can gague that. I certainly don’t see anything wrong with what MB said in regards to other leaders in the Church, and Kim, if you think it’s wrong for him to say that then why is it alright for you to say something about him?
Furthemore, in the OP, Kim you said:
“He was telling all his large audience ‘Jesus will not come back until the church has shaken off the spirit of slumber, operates in the anointing of prayer and has a bridal identity’…now just where in scripture does he find that?”
Well for starters – Ps. 13:3; Isa. 62:4-7; Amo. 3:7; Mt. 22-25; ITh. 5:6-8; 1Pe. 1:13; 4:7; 2Pe. 3:12; Rev. 5:8, 22:17.
I think what you’re struggling with is the concept of the conditions of Jesus’ return. Jesus is not coming back in a vaccum. There are specific conditions (Mt. 23:39; 24:14; 2Pe. 3:12; Rev. 5:8, 19:7)
Another thing you guys should look into is IHOP’s official statements on controversies like “Later Rain,” and “Dominionism.” I don’t see how someone could be leading people into something they have specifically denouced. It’s like saying Obama is going to run the White House exactly like Bush did. We all know that’s not true, so why do people insist that MB is leading young “impressionable” adults into things that have been specifically denounced by the IHOP leadership?
January 7, 2009 at 3:21 am
Kim
First thing is…..you are attributing this article to me. I merely posted it from another site. Although i do agree with it.
I looked up the verses you gave and are you sure you selected the correct references? The first group seem be verses about readiness. None of them say Jesus will NOT COME BACK, which is the issue, UNTIL, the church has met certain criteria.
What you need to do is, instead of just listing the reference, is to try to prove your case with the actual words from the verses.
Joels Army is Dominionism. Does Mike Bickle denounce Joels end-time army to take the world for Christ so that He can return?
January 7, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Kim
The writer of this article answers Danny much better than i did here:
http://justtomakeyouthink.blogspot.com/2008/12/another-lie-via-god-less-tv.html
January 7, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Danny
Here is a the official statement from IHOP’s website http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=1000010501
“WE DENY the Church will take over all the governments of the Earth before the return of Christ.”
In regards to the scripture references, you never emphasized what part of Bickle’s quote wasn’t in scripture. Now that you explained that what you’re looking for is conditions to Jesus’ return I can clarify better.
Jesus is not coming back until the Jews call Him back to Jerusalem.
Mat 23:39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘BLESSED is HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!’ ”
Jesus is not coming back back till the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM is preach to every nation (ethnos).
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
We have the ability to HASTEN the Day of the Lord, which by implication means that we have the ability to delay it.
2Pe 3:11-12 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, (12) looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
Jesus takes the scroll when the bowls which are filled with the incense of the prayes of the saints are full.
Rev 5:8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
These scriptures show us that Jesus is not coming back in a vacuum. There are specific criteria that must be met in order for Him to return. Now in regards to the criteria Bickle lists 1) Spirit of slumber shaken off, 2) Annointing of Prayer, 3) Bridal Identity, you can find a whole lot more about in Word. That’s why I gave those other references. But there are plenty more.
Hope this helps!
January 8, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Getting There
sorry but in the last days.. will there be faith in Christ still?.. sorry just trying to see where this conversation is going.. Danny do you think the Church is truly representing Christ and will take over the earth .. rule.. ? or am i misunderstanding you?
Luke 18:8 “..Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?”
January 8, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Getting There
To me it seems that Luke 18 sums it up pretty clearly… one can’t get any more clear than that..
a lot of churches are now ‘self acclaimed’ and feel they have the power instead of finding strength in Christ ALONE!.. faith in themselves to bring things into fulfillment is not biblical .. the direction churches seem to be going is ‘self’ and Christ is getting less focus here. Christ will come when He has planned to come.. when the fig tree is ripe.. you can tell.. and false teaching is rife.. less people are walking the narrow path. I am no theologian and I don’t know a lot but one thing I do know is that I am not powerful.. I don’t have superwoman capabilities to do stuff but I know what I do have and that is strength in Christ and Christ alone and His will, not mine be done! we must never come to the point where we think we know the God’s ways.. His ways are above ours, His thoughts are higher than our thoughts and there is no comparison to the majesty and greatness of God to us sinners who are saved by grace.
The church and christian tv alike are putting way too much emphasis on themselves and thinking they can ‘summon christ..’ really.. it’s not biblical to me..
January 8, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Getting There
He will come but we can’t demand it or be perfect in our own strength, this is the work of the Holy Spirit and God wants Love above all else! Love oneanother..if we do not have love, we have not God, we can only be watchful and prayerful.. not only for ourselves but our family and friends also.
Danny, You said..”Spirit of slumber shaken off, 2) Annointing of Prayer, 3) Bridal Identity, you can find a whole lot more about in Word. That’s why I gave those other references. But there are plenty more.”
please go more into detail regarding what you have written here.. what do you believe? and what is an annointing in your view?
January 8, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Danny
Getting There-
First, you ARE misunderstanding the quote I posted. Kim asked what Bickle’s position is on Dominionism. I quoted the official statement from IHOP’s website.
I believe the saints will rule and reign with Jesus in the Millenium according to His purposes, but not before then.
In regards to the “self-centered” preaching in the Church today, I agree. There’s too much of it. Let’s just get back to sound hermenutics on Sunday mornings and tell me about God. I want to know Him, not man’s impression of Him.
Lastly, I don’t have much time to mull over theology in a blog. I tend to go on bunny trails and I’m trying to cut back in my life. That being said, you said “He will come but we can’t demand it or be perfect in our own strength, this is the work of the Holy Spirit.” I think demand is a strong word, and I would agree that we cannot demand Jesus to come back like as if He we our subject. However, the Spirit and the Bride will say “Come.” Is Jesus deaf that He will not hear us crying out for Him to come back? Of Course not, and there is much reason to believe that He will come in response to the Bride’s beckoning.
Ref’s: 1Co. 6 (us ruling with Him), also Rev. 5:10; Mt. 23; Rev. 22.
That’s all the work I’m gonna for you. If you want more, dig in.
January 9, 2009 at 9:29 am
Kim
Danny,
If you believe that the saints will not rule on earth then you do not believe in IHOP’s Joel’s Army which is good.
Jewel Grewe has been researcing IHOP for many years. This is a good article.
Click to access NL_June1990.pdf
You said:
“I don’t see how someone could be leading people into something they have specifically denouced. It’s like saying Obama is going to run the White House exactly like Bush did. We all know that’s not true,”
From your very own statement we can see that official statements need to be taken with a grain of salt. For ministries we need to look at their practices and teachings and see if it lines up with the Bible. In this day and age a few isolated scriptures are not enough. That is why we are told to read the Bible from front to back to keep us from deception.
Getting There is not misunderstanding. I know where GT is coming from. We already dig into scripture and this has taught us know when we are being sold damaged goods. GT is asking you to defend your position.
Bickle teaches a billion souls must be won for Christ…before He returns. This is unscriptural. GT was quoting Luke 18:8 for this reason. Also The Narrow and Wide Gates passage Matthew 7:13 indicate the MB teaching incorrect.
“But the gate is small and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few will find it.”
I remember a IHOP leader brushing off this reference by saying to a poster ” you are a sniggler for details” and then closed comments…..I couldn’t believe it. Also this same IHOP leader had posted his library. Many of the promoted books were catholic mystics which promote altered states of consciousness. Those who engage in altered states, repetitive music, soaking, contemplative prayer usually begin to accept the divinity of man, which is the theology of the demons.
So did you engage in the false worship..rock music with religious words, while at the conference? I have watched these music sessions.
I don’t doubt your zeal and love of Jesus. But you must worship in spirit and truth. We are perhaps asking you to do more work…….and pray for the truth.
January 9, 2009 at 10:46 am
Kim
There are great articles about IHOP on this site.
http://apostasywatch.com/wolves/bickle.htm
Here is an excerpt from the CIC article
http://www.cicministry.org/commentary/issue107.htm
This article also addresses the earlier comments, elitism, the ten virgins teaching, and the bridal paradigm:
Thank you Apostasy Watch ..
January 10, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Danny
I’ve been misquoted and misunderstood on this page. You guys ask me to explain myself, but I have, and when I do you misunderstand what I’m saying.
In regards to the “Joel’s Army” thing, I posted IHOP’s official statement which, again, is:
“WE (IHOP) DENY the Church will take over all the governments of the Earth before the return of Christ.”
So I’m gonna give this one more shot with 3 different angles.
1) In Daniel 12 the angel gives Daniel the exact amount of days that will happen from the time the abomination of desolation is set up to the time of the end. Regardless of what rapture camp your in (pre, mid, post, etc.) there will be a group of people on the earth that will be able to countdown the days till the Lord’s return. This doesn’t nullify what Jesus said in Mt. 24:36, it clarifies it. Let me remind you that the conext of “no one knows the day or the hour” is the parable of the fig tree and the days of Noah. You know the season by looking at the fig tree. Noah knew the flood was coming 120 years out and again 7 days out. Therefore, must not hear what Jesus is NOT saying. He is not saying that no one WILL know the day or the hour, just that no one at that point did know. If He is saying that, then He is contridicting Dan. 12:11-13. But He isn’t, so He’s not.
2) I read some ladies personal testimony about how IHOP split up her family (I think it was on this site). She was upset because her son was “told by IHOP leadership” not to talk to her anymore. That is a bold accustation steeped in bias. It was first filtered through her son then through her, only for her to find support in her hate for brethren on the site in which she posted it.
When I was a Youth Pastor, there was a girl that started coming to youth group and almost simultaneously began cutting herself (self mutilation). Her mother came into my office after about two months later and accused me of teaching her to cut herself. Later I come to find out that her mother drinks, and smokes dope at home. She brings all kinds of men into the house, some of which molested the girl. And this girl started dating a bad kid at the same time that she started coming to my youth group. There is always way more to the story than meets the eye, but people will only hear what they want to hear.
So here’s an accusation on how watchdog groups like this one breaks up families. I have a friend that became a disciple of Jesus five years ago, married into a Christian family and he loves the Lord with all he’s got. He went to a One Thing conference for the first time just after he got saved (five years ago) and hasn’t missed one since. Last year, he and his wife were considering moving out to IHOP. The moment they did, my friend’s mother-in-law began searching for dirt on IHOP from sites like this one. She cornered her daughter and accused her of joining a cult. She left her daughter in tears. This couple goes to church faithfuly and they serve in every which way they can, but they feel unsupported in their church and they feel their relationship with Jesus comes alive when they are in prayer, which is hard to get the church to do. The mother-in-law has since stopped going to their local church with them and has denounced all the things that they hold dear in their growth in Christ. It has put a strain on their relationship and they don’t get along like they used to. Oh, the destructive nature of slander!
3)You keep asking me questions, so let me ask you some. Do you pray for IHOP? Do you pray for Bickle? Have you met Bickle or anyone on IHOP’s leadership team? Have you prayed for me? If so, what are you praying? Do you serve in a local church? What kind of music do you listen to? What kind of music is being played in heaven? Are you wrong about anything? If so, what? Should you be deemed a heretic because you’re wrong on something? What is grace? What is forgiveness? What is unity? WHAT IS LOVE? Is it devoting your time and efforts to a slanderous website in hopes to get people to think the way you do? What is God like? Why not spend your efforts on teaching God rather than slandering your brethren that may be wrong, but may be right? What if IHOP is right? What if God is pleased with what IHOP is doing? What’s your conversation with God going to be like then?
For Jeff only:
What do you intend to accomplish by being snide in your comments?
Please, please, please! Stop the slander of your brothers and sisters in Christ. If you think IHOP is wrong, then start a prayer group of your own. Don’t focus on sin, focus on God.
January 11, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Kim
#2. No this was not on this site. Although i am aware of this sad situation.
I will try to answer some of your questions if you want to change the focus to me instead of doctrine.
Yes, i pray for IHOP and Bickle. I pray that people there will not be lead into heresy. I have talked with 5 people on staff at this point. I have not prayed for you yet. Yes i serve in a local church. I listen and sing hymns. I don’t know for sure what kind of music is being played in heaven. I like harps though. Yes i am wrong about many things. Not all wrong thoughts are heresy, only things that oppose sound doctrine. I understand the elementaries of doctrine such as grace, forgiveness, unity and love. I do not think my blog is slanderous as you call it. God has many attributes all through the Bible. I do teach the Bible, I am a Bible teacher. This year i am teaching 7-8th graders. Some aspects of IHOP may be right but not all. I don’t think God is pleased with most of IHOP’s practices, like mind-altering rock music, contemplative mystic prayer, soaking in self-absortion self-glory. I am in a prayer group. I focus on sin by repentance. When i am close to God, He shows me my sin. That is what the light does. It highlights sin and exposes it. Without repentance and acknowledgment of sin there is no forgiveness. Jesus died for us because we are sinners. I focus on God day and night. I hate to go to work because it takes away my thoughts from my Lord Jesus Christ. I spend all my time reading and studying scripture, and 15 hours a week preparing for teaching lessons. God called me to do this discernment work. It is my calling.
Is “Don’t focus on sin” an IHOP teaching?
Jeff is my friend….i am not sure he knows how to be snide, as you put it.
January 14, 2009 at 3:01 am
Getting There
Jeff definitly does not know how to be snide…
kim I quote you
” I focus on sin by repentance. When i am close to God, He shows me my sin. That is what the light does. It highlights sin and exposes it. Without repentance and acknowledgment of sin there is no forgiveness. Jesus died for us because we are sinners. I focus on God day and night. I hate to go to work because it takes away my thoughts from my Lord Jesus Christ. I spend all my time reading and studying scripture, and 15 hours a week preparing for teaching lessons. God called me to do this discernment work. It is my calling.”
Bless you Kim! This is so true, When God works in your life, the light shines and all the blemishes are clearly visible! You are definitly called by God to discern!
January 14, 2009 at 10:47 am
Kim
Getting There,
I thank you so kindly for your encouragment and kind words. When we examine men’s teachings and compare them to the Word of God just like the Bereans did, we are often called the “blemishes” instead of being called biblical.
January 14, 2009 at 2:24 pm
JesusChristisLord
Dear Kim,
Years ago I was part of the IHOP world. The Lord Jesus has been so faithful to me to show me the error I was believing in. When I was there Mike Bickle used to say, you have to teach end-times to fuel the prayer movement. He teaches the Holy Spirit is building up houses of prayer all around the earth. He teaches that prayer and fasting and “living a fasted lifestyle” is critical to God’s end-time purposes.
As you know, prayer and fasting are taught by the Lord Jesus. But 24/7 houses of prayer to release God’s judgments on the earth is simply not in Scripture. He cuts and pastes and weaves together a teaching to draw people into his IHOP. Many are living in self-induced poverty, not developing skills and working jobs to provide for themselves and their families but trying to raise support to live as intercessory missionaries because they have been taught they have a “Anna anointing” to fast and pray night and day before the second coming of the Lord Jesus. That entire teaching comes from three verses in the book of Luke. In Luke it never says how Anna was provided for.
Being in the prayer house and doing the “one thing” is the most important work a person can do with their life they are taught.
Yet, if a person prayerfully and humbly reads through the New Testament there is no way you would conclude this was taught or modeled by the Lord Jesus or the apostles. The problem is there is truth with a whole lot of twisting and distorting and extra-biblical revelation (dreams, visions, encounters……that are naively believed) thrown in to support what HE is building.
Mike Bickle is a very charismatic, intelligent, skillful, gifted and talented man who is drawing people AFTER HIMSELF to build his idea of what Christianity is supposed to be. I don’t think people can see the error until they get away from IHOP and it’s infuence, repent and ask the Lord to give them a love for the truth above all things. I then think if a person prayerfully reads and studies the Scriptures and lets them speak for themselves, they will begin to get the ability to think clearly and test everything they hear from every teacher against the plumbline of Scripture.
This is a process and takes a lot of work but the Lord Jesus is REALLY FAITHFUL to show one if they are in error or have been led astray if humbly and sincerely asked.
Did you listen to the podcasts Mike Bickle put out on his website prior to the One Thing Conference this year? What could be more “heady” for anyone than to be a forerunner at the end of the age who prays and prophesies the judgments of God upon the earth so that they can hasten the day of the Lord’s return?
It simply is not true.
I encourage people who are involved in IHOP to listen to the doubts and questions that arise within you about what you see and hear going on around you. Then seek the Lord and His Word for the truth instead of quenching your questions to go along with the group, you will find TRUTH.
God Bless you, Kim. You are doing this work out of a right heart and spirit I believe.
January 14, 2009 at 3:40 pm
jeff
….So what’s snide mean?
Thanks guys!..and sorry danny dude..I think…LOL
January 14, 2009 at 4:57 pm
jeff
@JCIL(yeah have a problem adressing u sorry..haha)
Wow….hmmm…u know Jim Jones was a very charismatic and skilful man..Sorry if that offeneds but I speak from my gut(no church face) this is starting to really creep me out alitle..
Ooh and Danny I will pray indeed…
Stay way from the coolaid…yikes!
Christ IS the way,
Jeff
January 14, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Kim
JesusChristisLord,
I want to thank you so much for the important information you have provided. I have talked with couples who were actually afraid to reveal their identities after leaving IHOP for fear of retribution.
So many deceivers delicately weave their own lies into scripture that is it really takes effort to analyze what they are saying. That is why we have to study the Bible on our own, in prayer, and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal truth and make His Word vital and life-giving. (and convicting)If you are not convicted of your sin…something is wrong.
I believe you are right with your assessment of Mike Bickle. I have listened to him and he gets you excited and all pumped-up. But….it is for fleshy desires and purposes, like you said…”what could be more ‘heady'”…than to feel a part of God’s end-time scenario. But God is sovereign and He really doesn’t need us to help Him along.
I have always felt that truly there are people there who desire only to serve the Lord. But one has to know and follow scripture. This is the problem with a ministry that evolves around a man instead of God. I have been praying for the young people there for three years now. I have prayed that the truth of scriptures be paramount. I have prayed that some will begin to doubt the teachings and follow God’s leading out and away from MB. I have prayed that those who fall deep into the mystical “experience” trap will claw their way back into reality with the help of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I too was once deceived by a “prophetic” influence, “words”. I prayed for truth. The Lord opened my eyes, not all at once, but little-by-little, so to not totally destroy me. That is why we must be patient when telling the truth.
Again thank you for your comment. It is most convincing when those who have “been there” come forward to warn others.
God Bless…
January 14, 2009 at 6:11 pm
jeff
yeah thank u big time JCIL…
Jeff
January 14, 2009 at 7:07 pm
jeff
For Danny only:
Danny after re reading your comment to me, I would first like to apologies for my..snideness?..also I promise u that “I”will accomplish nothing(sorry my weslian up bringing is acting up again)as I feel that such matters are to be left up to the Holy Gost(spirit)(like he doesn’t need my help dude?)I will however indeed pray. I will pray for all the followers of false dotrin to be shown the TRUE light. As for the false teachers..That ones not easy for me(sorry I’m week there)but I guess I could try.
Christ is Lord,
Jeff
January 14, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Getting There
Yeah Jeff.. I think the fasting conversation is another topic all together.. all I know is I am not good at fasting.. the church had to fast for 7 days.. and I went with it and fasted for 7 days.. then everyone (the church members) were asking if I have an eating disorder.. so I can’t afford to fast… but that’s an entirely different topic isn’t it?
January 14, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Getting There
although if your heart tells you to fast.. I guess that’s different. I just know I am too weak to fast…
January 14, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Kim
Here are my other two articles about IHOP
IHOP Openly Promotes Contemplative Prayer/Visualization
https://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/ihop-openly-promotes-contemplative-prayervisualization/
IHOP goes to the Fair
https://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2007/12/29/ihop-goes-to-the-fair/
And this was written by Lee Dorsheimer
Confusion on the Davidic Tabernacle
https://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/confusion-on-the-davidic-tabernacle/
January 15, 2009 at 9:15 pm
mbaker
Whenever we believe we have to lock ourselves away from the world in order to promote the gospel, we are not acting as true ambassadors for Christ. He said “GO into all all the world”, not stay where it’s safe, where there are only Christians present. That’s a pretty easy way to make us look good and holy before others.
As a carrier of His name, however, I am asked to do more. Despite my personal ambitions, and/or opinions, my main thrust as a Christian is supposed to be to fulfill Christ’s Great Commission, because HE said so, not because my ego (or someone else’s requires me to make myself a martyr to some ministry), which tells me I will be elite, blessed or effective over other Christians, if I do so.
Certainly to anyone who believes that IHOP is the way to save the world, that obvious appeal to to our frail human egos should be the first thing that is apparent in these kinds of false teachings. If it isn’t, we are ignoring Christ’s instructions to His people.
May 19, 2014 at 1:49 am
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